[recipe review] simple, crusty bread from the NY Times
I got a chance to make Jeff Hertzberg's simple bread recipe from his book Artisan Bread in Five Minutes a Day that was shared on the NY Times website. It is billed as being even quicker than Jim Lahey's "No-Knead" recipe that appeared in the NY Times about a year ago and it lives up to that billing -- you can follow this recipe and have a decent loaf of bread in about 3 hours.
But that's just it -- the bread is only passable. I can make very good sandwich bread in three hours. This, however, is supposed to be "artisan" bread. It isn't artisan bread by any stretch of the imagination.
When I think of artisan bread, I imagine a slightly sour, very crusty, open-holed bread with wonderfully chewy insides. This bread is more related to white sandwich bread in texture -- maybe slightly chewier due to the wetness of the dough. The flavor was almost too "yeasty," as the recipe requires quite a bit of yeast (1 1/2 TB) to raise 6 cups of flour in two hours.
I prefer doughs (and the breads that come from them) that use less yeast and more time -- the flavor of bread made in this way is tangy and wheaty instead of having an overly fermented taste and smell. Also, time is necessary in order to truly accomplish the "no-knead" trick.
Kneading bread develops gluten, a protein matrix which acts like sheets of rubber than can be blown up like balloons. Gluten can also be developed by the metabolic byproducts of yeast (gas), which slooooooowly stretches the proteins in the dough. Trying to accomplish this quickly leaves one with an under-developed dough. This, in turn, produces small, dense loaves -- exactly what I got when I followed the recipe precisely.
It seems we are still left with two options for bread -- kneaded sandwich-style bread (which can be quite good) or lightly kneaded, long-rising artisan-style bread. Quick artisanal breads still live in the realm of unicorns and ogres -- fantasy.
One more note -- the recipe says that you can make the dough and keep it in the fridge for up to two weeks. This option probably produces a bread that is closer to artisan-style in texture. But I imagine the flavor would still be very "yeasty."
Overall, if you have never baked bread before and don't own a stand mixer, give the original no-knead bread recipe a try. If you're also in a pinch and rushed for time, try the Hertzberg variation just for kicks. You'll quickly be swept up in the joyful meditation of baking your own bread and will summarily graduate to recipes where a little (happy) effort is required!
25 comments:
Dominic:
I'm Jeff Hertzberg, one of the authors of "Artisan Bread in Five Minutes a Day." Thanks for trying our method!
Hang in there with your batch. The loaf you make after three hours is not the same as the one you'll make with dough that has aged for 7 to 14 days. In the older dough, you'll appreciate the characteristics of artisan bread that you're looking for: larger holes, open texture, sour character, and "custard" crumb. Why? Over time, the dough will accumulate the by-products of yeast fermentation that you are looking for.
We know that our result improves with time. Make enough to last a little longer and you'll see what I mean. This method's innovation is that you store the dough over time. That's where the time-savings comes from, and that's where you'll see the artisan result you're looking for.
Jeff Hertzberg www.artisanbreadin5.com
Hi Jeff --
That's so nice that you found my post and commented! I did save half of the batch and will wait a few days to bake it. I'm sure (as I mentioned in the post) that this will be more "artisanal" in nature.
Thanks for taking the time to write a book that is sure to get more people interested in home baking and for your informative response to my post :-)
My best,
Dominic
Dominic:
What did you find when you re-tried with more fully-aged dough?
Jeff
www.artisanbreadinfive.com
Hey Jeff,
I just made a new loaf from the old(er) dough and it is much, much better. It has all of the attributes that I look for in an artisan bread.
Your technique of storing the dough in the refrigerator is one that could apply to almost any bread recipe. I particularly like to store shaped bagels in the fridge and then boil and bake as I need. So much better than what I can get in the local shops!
Thanks again for taking the time to find us in the blogosphere and chat about your book.
My best,
Dominic
the zen kitchen
Dominic:
I really appreciate your hanging in there with our method and trying the longer-stored approach, and even our bagels. I'm convinced that even experienced bakers will be happy with our method if they take it a little further, as you have.
I'm in the process of testing a low-yeast version of our recipe... same idea, but decrease the yeast to 1/2 teaspoon and let it go overnight rather than two hours. The taste is less forward with commercial yeast than our basic Master Recipe.
Jeff Hertzberg
www.artisanbreadinfive.com
I tried this recipe just today! I baked in my wood fire oven. It came out absolutly fantastic in my wildwood wood fire oven! YUM!
www.wildwoodovens.com
This is Jeff Hertzberg, one of the co-authors again ("Artisan Bread in Five Minutes a Day"). Did you use aged dough, or was it fairly fresh? We're very curious, as neither I nor my co-author have access to a wood-fired stove.
Jeff
www.artisanbreadinfive.com
I love the NKB - but looking for some variety. Have you tried throwing other ingredients or maybe dinner rolls?
Hey SteamyKitchen:
So it's variety you want? Our book contains about a 100 variations on the basic stored-dough approach, including brioches and other desserts. Amazon is about to re-stock (we're sold out of the first three printings). Check out our website at www.artisanbreadinfive.com for a few variations; our cheese bread is somewhere on the web as well. So's the basic brioche.
Jeff Hertzberg
www.artisanbreadinfive.com
Definitely try Jeff's book for ideas -- it's very good. I've taken the basic no-knead recipe from both methods and done tons of add-ins: olives, raisins, different seeds (caraway, anise, fennel), nuts, cheese, etc. I've had success with adding them in both early and late in the process, so if you use Jeff's method, you could feasibly make four different loaves.
Best of luck and Happy New Year!
Thanks for improvising, Dominic, that's really the fun of it. Contact us anytime at our website with questions, suggestions, etc.
Jeff Hertzberg
www.artisanbreadinfive.com
Refrigerating my dough is making it worse. The dough gets smaller and smaller. The first loaf is fine but the subesquent loafs will not raise and come out gummy. What am I doing wrong?
Fairhavenranch --
Are you giving your dough a good head-start before you refrigerate it? You should probably allow it to double in volume before you park it in the fridge.
Also, you have to make sure that the dough rises again (the bench proof) before you bake it. That could be why your loaves are coming out gummy. Yeast work very slowly at refrigerator temperatures, so they have to warm back up before they will really become active again. I figure in an extra hour of bench proofing when I bake a loaf that comes out of the fridge.
Let us know how it's going for you. It could be a number of factors -- I'd give it another try with some fresh yeast maybe and see if that doesn't help.
My best,
Dominic
dominic:
The dough triples in volume when left out for two hours before refrigeration - looks great. After refrigeration over night it still looks the same but when you pull out the dough for the first loaf the rest of the dough collapses, never to rise again. I tried leaving the next loaves out to raise longer before baking but they hardly move.
Fairhavenranch,
It's possible that your dough is over-risen before you put it into the fridge. Triple the volume is well past where it needs to be. Most baking authorities will give a time (2 hours) and some sort of indication (double the volume) as to when to move on to the next step. I find that the time is very variable -- what takes 2 hours in your kitchen may take 1.5 in mind, mainly depending upon ambient temperature. As such, I use the visual cues provided instead.
I'd suggest keeping an eye on your dough as it goes through the first rise to see when it doubles and then refrigerating it. I have a feeling that an over-proof was your problem.
Good luck!
- Dominic
dominic:
Could over proofing have something to do with the fact that I am at an altitude of 5,300 feet? Are there any specific adjustments for high altitude?
Absolutely! Baking bread over a mile above sea level necessitates some changes. Most recommendations I've found suggest reducing the amount of yeast in a recipe by 1/3 to 1/2 since the reduced air pressure causes the bread to rise too fast.
I think that your problems definitely come from your mile-high status :-)
dominic:
Thanks so much for your help! I'll give it another try with less yeast and not letting it over proof. Baking up here is not for the faint of heart!
Hi Fairhavenranch:
I competely agree with Dominic... at high altitudes, you need to use less yeast with our method, and go slower. Our method works well with as little as a half-teaspoon of yeast (instead of 1 and 1/2 tablespoons). But it will take time.
Jeff Hertzberg
www.artisanbreadinfive.com
Jeff:
Thanks so much! I appreciate you taking the time to comment. I'm sure I will get it figured out! I'll reduce the yeast and increase the rest time and see how it goes!
Glad to see all these comments about the Simple Crusty bread Recipe. I made my first batch 2 weeks ago after stumbling across it in the NYT. I've baked bread for years and rarely followed the recipes since I bake to taste. Not being much of a "white bread" type that's the first change I usually make. I also had only one package of Fleishmans yeast on hand so that's all it took. I replaced one third of the recipe with King Arthur whole wheat and let the bread rise in my oven which was heated for a few minutes since the house was only about 65ºF at the time. As Jeff suggested the first loaf was fairly plain as expected but the subsequent loaves developed the expected sour characteristics. I'll be baking the last of the grapefruit sized loaves this evening. Forgot to mention I had know coarse salt on hand so I used sea salt. I will use half as much in the next batch since my daughter and I found the bread way too salty. With high blood pressure I need to eat less anyway. Try a slice sprayed with olive oil and toasted for a treat!
I may add a bit of some homebrewed brown ale to a batch for a different twist with a slight chocolate flavor. Glad I stumbled on this blog
Enjoy
Bob in NC
Bob:
It's Jeff Hertzberg, one of the co-authors again. Thanks for trying our stuff; I'm glad your having a good experience. We'd intended for people to adjust the salt as they prefer (some find our stuff too salty, some say there's not enough!). Our book has many recipes with WW, so you've already done that. And the beer I'm sure will be a nice flavor.
Visit us at www.artsanbreadinfive.com...
Jeff Hertzberg
I am so trying this today with high-altitude adjustments for my VERY FIRST baking project up here in Salt Lake City. You have no idea the dance of joy my heart is doing to see that detailed in these comments. Thanks to Dominic and Jeff for being so attentive to the readers! And Fairhaven rocks my mountain.
Jeff and Dominic,
I realize this is an older post on the blog, and people may not be reading it. But I actually saw the same recipe in the Chicago Sun Times and tried it early in the year and it was outstanding, especially the longer you let it go in the fridge.
It was actually my first attempt at baking bread and I was not dissapointed. as the dough sat it developed more characteristics and the loaves it created were out of this world with a beautiful crust and the chewy airy interior.
Towards the end of the batch about, a week in, I had some friends come over late night after the bar and i didn't have much to eat in the fridge. So i took the dough and use it to make a pizza with and it actually came out excellent. Different than what you would get typically with your normal "young" pizza crust. The crust was crispy but developed great internal texture, and the flavor complimented the sauce and cheese beautifully.
This is a great recipe that everyone should try and use instead of buying loaves from the local store. For a minimum amount of work you will be able to enjoy fresh bread for an unbelievably small amount of money.
Michael,
I agree it gets better with age. That being the case, I'd rather start with a smaller amount of yeast and just plan on giving it time. But I do see the benefit in having some dough ready on day 1, especially for bakers who are not as patient as I :-)
Aging pizza dough does do wonders for it, no?
Thanks for posting your note & best wishes in your baking endeavors!
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